- OSMAN'S MEDICAL REPORT FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF
SODOMY WAS LATER LEAKED TO THE MEDIA
- THE PUSRAWI DOCTOR WHO FIRST EXAMINED SAIFUL
- SAIFUL DIDN'T TELL ME IT WAS ANWAR
- I USED THE PER-RECTAL EXAMINATION - EVERY
DOCTOR MUST KNOW THIS TEST
Below is the transcript of the interview -
MalaysiaKini | Beh Lih Yi | Sep 5, 08 12:44pm :
Malaysiakini: Can you tell us what happened on June 28 when Saiful came to the hospital?
Osman: I can't say exactly. At first, he saw one lady doctor and then he requested to see a male doctor because (he was) shy, so they sent him to my room.Deep Tots : Yes indeed.. the pretty boy a shy boy!Malaysiakini: When you met him, did he complain of being sodomised?
Osman: I can't answer. I saw Saiful (right) in my clinic and I questioned him, examined him - that was it.Deep Tots : No stress... looks cheerful... sodomised victim syndrome?Malaysiakini: Did he mention that he was sodomised by Anwar?
Osman: I can't answer.Deep Tots : ... reserved your comment?Malaysiakini: Did he mention any names?
Osman: No names. I'll give my evidence in court. I just treated him as any other ordinary patient, I only knew (he was Saiful) after two days.Deep Tots : I'm sure Dr Osman wonders why this boy need the medical check up... Doc, you are human too.. They say, "Curiosity kills the cat"Malaysiakini: Did he appear nervous when he met you?
Osman: I can't say.Deep Tots : Any sign of trauma?Malaysiakini: Could you explain why you stated 'to rule out sodomy, go to a government hospital' at the end of the medical report?
Osman: That's a standard procedure because if it is a medical legal case, we have to tell the patient to go to a government hospital. They have a team for specific examination - that is normal procedure. There are people who interpret the phrase as meaning 'you can't confirm there were no signs of sodomy and thus you had to ask him to go to a government hospital to rule out sodomy'.Osman: I am a doctor, I have 30 years experience. I have been seeing all these patients.Deep Tots : Reputable hospital report are not accepted for medical legal case?
Malaysiakini: Your employer, Pusrawi Hospital, has said that you did not carry out a sodomy-related test. Is this true?
Osman: That is their view, I respect their comment. I will give my evidence in court.Deep Tots : Wow.. wow.. when a patient complains of sickness and pains.. what will the doctor do? Malaysiakini: Can you confirm it was a sodomy-related examination?
Osman: Normally every doctor can check - that is what we call per-rectal examination. Every doctor knows how to do it, that is normal practice, (one doesn't) need to be a specialist for that examination. That's it, I used the per-rectal examination.Deep Tots : Why does Pusrawi employ doctor who is not fit to run such related examination?
Malaysiakini: So you are saying you're qualified to do it? The hospital said you are just a medical officer.
Osman: Yes. Every medical doctor can do the test. That is a very basic test.Deep Tots : Medical officer... why Pusrawi allows a medical officer to be called a doctor?
Malaysiakini: Generally, how's the test carried out?
Osman: We have a look at the anus area, then we put the finger (in to) check whether everything is normal or abnormal, then we'll put the proctoscope and look whether there is any bleeding, scar or (signs of) abnormality, that is what we call per-rectal examination.Osman: Every doctor must know (this test). You just check (the results of) the examination (and), you may know everything.Deep Tots : Anus area... in and out the anus area? Oh yes, he was sodomised by the proctoscope then!
Malaysiakini: In the statutory declaration, you claimed that the police were tried to tamper with your
witness statement, could you elaborate on this? You said it was the police who inserted Anwar's name into your statement?
Osman: I don't understand Bahasa (Malaysia), at that time they didn't mention Datuk Seri's (Anwar's) name (in the witness statement), they just mentioned a VIP.Deep Tots : VIP... could it be also the Prime Minister?Malaysiakini: Did you ever advise Saiful to lodge a police report?
Osman: Never, never. I advised him to go to the general hospital or any government hospital.Deep Tots : Go to general hospital or any government hospital... for what? Sure lead to legal matters...
Malaysiakini: You said you didn't know that the patient was Saiful - did you not get the patient's folder with his name before you examined him?
Osman: There are so many patients. We (usually) see the patient, their face, (whether they are) male or female, our diagnosis - that's what we get from the patient.Osman: When I read the newspapers and saw his name in the newspaper, I didn't know he was my patient. That afternoon when I started my duty I called my nurse and checked in the computer whether he was my patient.Osman: (Then we confirmed) he came on June 28, only at that time I came to know he was my patient. The TV3 news showed Saiful's photo (but) when I saw the photo I didn't know (it was him) because the photo was different (from how he looked).Deep Tots : Yes indeed.. the pretty boy is him!!
Malaysiakini: Were you surprised to read (in the newspapers) that he claimed he was sodomised - something that was totally different from what you found from the
medical examination?
Osman: (Pauses) I will give the evidence in court.Deep Tots : This pretty boy really gave Dr Osman a hard time... What a pity! What a regret!
Malaysiakini: Who usually keeps the
medical record?
Osman: I am one of the doctors working there, there are so many patients, (these records) usually goes to the record office. (The medical record was) with me only for a few minutes. After seeing the patient, the nurse will take the patient's folder and send it back to the counter.Osman: (The folder was) with me just for a few minutes - 10 or 15 minutes - (because) while the patient is inside (the clinic), I have to write on that folder, once I finish, it will be kept by the (hospital's) record office. We don't the paper work, we see the patients.Deep Tots : Guess pretty boy is upset over the report... is it only him or the whole entourage?
Malaysiakini: How many copies of the record will be kept by the hospital?
Osman: One folder for one patient.Malaysiakini: Why did you decide to come out in public at this juncture?
Osman: After taking leave, I feel relieved and I decided to come back to Malaysia, I wanted to clear my name.Deep Tots : Thanks doc... the rakyat surely need to know your side of the story
Malaysiakini: Have you spoken to the hospital management?
Osman: Not yet.Deep Tots : Pusrawi in deep shit... Let them be!
Malaysiakini: Do you wish to go back to Pusrawi Hospital after all that has happened?
Osman: At the moment, yes. If I have a chance to get another job, I will take the other job (laughs).Deep Tots : Its not end of your career... I supposed you just have to do what you have to do.Malaysiakini: Were you under pressure all this while?
Osman: I got stressed because of the investigation, I have no experience, there were three times (of being questioned by the police) but the police never (pressured) me.Deep Tots : A new doctor's scope of work - You are answerable to the police as and when requiered by the BNMalaysiakini: What about your family, were they under pressure?
Osman: My youngest daughter will sit for the UPSR exam next week, (we have been away for) one month. Yes, they were under pressure too.Deep Tots : All the best to your family.
Malaysiakini: Was there any harassment from the police or politicians?
Osman: No.Deep Tots : Not yet i guess.. soon and it will be very soon
Malaysiakini: Since you have been thrust into the limelight, how can you carry on with your job?
Osman: I want my life back.Deep Tots : PRETTY BOY... PLEASE GIVE HIS LIFE BACK!!
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